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		<title>Comment on Posting Code How-To&#8217;s Online by Joe</title>
		<link>http://blog.joeb454.com/2011/10/posting-code-how-tos-online/comment-page-1/#comment-9283</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 18:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not trying to make a point, so to speak, I was merely spilling some thoughts I had in my head and seeing what kind of reaction it provoked. If it provided some food for thought for other people reading it, that&#039;s probably a good thing too.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m not trying to make a point, so to speak, I was merely spilling some thoughts I had in my head and seeing what kind of reaction it provoked. If it provided some food for thought for other people reading it, that&#8217;s probably a good thing too.
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		<title>Comment on Posting Code How-To&#8217;s Online by Luke Faraone</title>
		<link>http://blog.joeb454.com/2011/10/posting-code-how-tos-online/comment-page-1/#comment-9273</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Faraone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the UGC on StackOverflow is licensed under cc-wiki, that is, cc-by-sa-3.0: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

So one could argue that code can be reused as long as you abide by the terms of said license. (which is permissiveish)

Also, keep in mind while the tutorial is copyrighted by the author, following the tutorial (if you&#039;re not copying code) may not result in a derivative work. 

… and even if it did, short snippets are often too trivial to be copyrightable. 

IANAL.</description>
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<p>All of the UGC on StackOverflow is licensed under cc-wiki, that is, cc-by-sa-3.0: <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" rel="nofollow">http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/</a></p>
<p>So one could argue that code can be reused as long as you abide by the terms of said license. (which is permissiveish)</p>
<p>Also, keep in mind while the tutorial is copyrighted by the author, following the tutorial (if you&#8217;re not copying code) may not result in a derivative work. </p>
<p>… and even if it did, short snippets are often too trivial to be copyrightable. </p>
<p>IANAL.
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		<title>Comment on Posting Code How-To&#8217;s Online by Jef Spaleta</title>
		<link>http://blog.joeb454.com/2011/10/posting-code-how-tos-online/comment-page-1/#comment-9271</link>
		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right and those 98% of those blogs are a copyright litigation trap waiting to be sprung on someone.  It really doesn&#039;t matter if few people understand this. Everytime _you_ lift code for reuse without knowing what the license is you&#039;ve opened up yourself to a copyright enforcement litigation action.  Potentially costly if your a corporate entity that is making a profit.  And if you are doing that sort of search and copy  as a paid employee to build corporate products, you&#039;ve probably broken some explicit terms of your employment(who reads all the fine print in their employment contract anyways right?) by opening up your employer to copyright infringement litigation.

I don&#039;t see the point your trying to make in your blog. Do people lift code off the net indiscriminately without concern for licensing? Yes. Is this a socialized norm? Yes. Is it problematic. YES! Just like sharing recipes out of cookbooks with friends or trading cross stitch patterns from a book with guys in your knitting group. Socialized norms for day-to-day behaviour are out of step with the legal statutes for copyright across all sorts of copyrighted content...not just software snippets or music or video. Copyright laws are out of step with social norms for sharing everything in the digital reproduction age.

So what if few people lifting code from a forum pay attention to the license or not?  You can&#039;t make random people act in a way which limits their personal or corporate liability when cutting and pasting code.   Is that your ultimate goal? if it is, its not achievable.  This is why GPL enforcement is a big deal. You can&#039;t prevent misuse of openly available code, all you can do is enforce terms after the fact. 

All you can do is make sure you are acting responsibility and set an example for others. If you have no desire to personally enforce GPL terms, then don&#039;t license under GPL when you publish code online, publish under MIT and essentially gift it without constraint.   When you see a blog that doesn&#039;t have a clear licensing policy for code snippets, talk to the site operator about that and get them to clear it up to prevent that site from becoming a litigation trap down the road for someone.


-jef</description>
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<p>Right and those 98% of those blogs are a copyright litigation trap waiting to be sprung on someone.  It really doesn&#8217;t matter if few people understand this. Everytime _you_ lift code for reuse without knowing what the license is you&#8217;ve opened up yourself to a copyright enforcement litigation action.  Potentially costly if your a corporate entity that is making a profit.  And if you are doing that sort of search and copy  as a paid employee to build corporate products, you&#8217;ve probably broken some explicit terms of your employment(who reads all the fine print in their employment contract anyways right?) by opening up your employer to copyright infringement litigation.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the point your trying to make in your blog. Do people lift code off the net indiscriminately without concern for licensing? Yes. Is this a socialized norm? Yes. Is it problematic. YES! Just like sharing recipes out of cookbooks with friends or trading cross stitch patterns from a book with guys in your knitting group. Socialized norms for day-to-day behaviour are out of step with the legal statutes for copyright across all sorts of copyrighted content&#8230;not just software snippets or music or video. Copyright laws are out of step with social norms for sharing everything in the digital reproduction age.</p>
<p>So what if few people lifting code from a forum pay attention to the license or not?  You can&#8217;t make random people act in a way which limits their personal or corporate liability when cutting and pasting code.   Is that your ultimate goal? if it is, its not achievable.  This is why GPL enforcement is a big deal. You can&#8217;t prevent misuse of openly available code, all you can do is enforce terms after the fact. </p>
<p>All you can do is make sure you are acting responsibility and set an example for others. If you have no desire to personally enforce GPL terms, then don&#8217;t license under GPL when you publish code online, publish under MIT and essentially gift it without constraint.   When you see a blog that doesn&#8217;t have a clear licensing policy for code snippets, talk to the site operator about that and get them to clear it up to prevent that site from becoming a litigation trap down the road for someone.</p>
<p>-jef
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		<title>Comment on Posting Code How-To&#8217;s Online by Joe</title>
		<link>http://blog.joeb454.com/2011/10/posting-code-how-tos-online/comment-page-1/#comment-9269</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, you &lt;strong&gt;should&lt;/strong&gt; be as explicit as you can about the code, but I&#039;d say 98% of blogs I&#039;ve come across don&#039;t actually have any form of license attached to the code, or mentioned throughout the post. Some may have an overall license for the content, but I&#039;d then be willing to bet that few will look for that if the posted code solves their issue.</description>
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<p>I agree, you <strong>should</strong> be as explicit as you can about the code, but I&#8217;d say 98% of blogs I&#8217;ve come across don&#8217;t actually have any form of license attached to the code, or mentioned throughout the post. Some may have an overall license for the content, but I&#8217;d then be willing to bet that few will look for that if the posted code solves their issue.
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		<title>Comment on Posting Code How-To&#8217;s Online by Jef Spaleta</title>
		<link>http://blog.joeb454.com/2011/10/posting-code-how-tos-online/comment-page-1/#comment-9267</link>
		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you post code, you _should_ to be as explicit about the license as you can be. If you don&#039;t care about commercial reuse then BSD or MIT or Apache license it and be done with it. Being specific about the license really helps make sure you aren&#039;t causing problems for people whom you are trying to help by offering the code up.

And if you grab published code and use it verbatim you MUST absolutely freakinlutely be clear as to the licensing rights. Just publishing code on a blog or in a book or whatever does not put it into the public domain.  At a minimum standard copyright rules apply until a license is specified which grants you the right to copy or redistribute. Copy and pasting anything at all from forum code into a commercial work without clear licensing is real litigation risk.  It happens all the time, but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that its a real risk.</description>
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<p>When you post code, you _should_ to be as explicit about the license as you can be. If you don&#8217;t care about commercial reuse then BSD or MIT or Apache license it and be done with it. Being specific about the license really helps make sure you aren&#8217;t causing problems for people whom you are trying to help by offering the code up.</p>
<p>And if you grab published code and use it verbatim you MUST absolutely freakinlutely be clear as to the licensing rights. Just publishing code on a blog or in a book or whatever does not put it into the public domain.  At a minimum standard copyright rules apply until a license is specified which grants you the right to copy or redistribute. Copy and pasting anything at all from forum code into a commercial work without clear licensing is real litigation risk.  It happens all the time, but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that its a real risk.
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		<title>Comment on Configuring a Wireless Repeater by Configure a Wireless Repeater in Ubuntu &#124; TurboLinux Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.joeb454.com/2008/10/configuring-a-wireless-repeater/comment-page-1/#comment-9142</link>
		<dc:creator>Configure a Wireless Repeater in Ubuntu &#124; TurboLinux Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is a good tutorial show you how to Configure a Wireless Repeater in Ubuntu: Ok, so not strictly Linux related, but technical nonetheless, and I was using Ubuntu when I set it up [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Here is a good tutorial show you how to Configure a Wireless Repeater in Ubuntu: Ok, so not strictly Linux related, but technical nonetheless, and I was using Ubuntu when I set it up [...]
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		<title>Comment on New Forum Council Members by New Forum Council Members</title>
		<link>http://blog.joeb454.com/2011/07/new-forum-council-members/comment-page-1/#comment-9014</link>
		<dc:creator>New Forum Council Members</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 19:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted here by Joe Barker on 5 July [...]</description>
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<p>[...] posted here by Joe Barker on 5 July [...]
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		<title>Comment on Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) &#8211; My Thoughts So Far by Pandammonium: blogs [pandammonia]</title>
		<link>http://blog.joeb454.com/2009/03/ubuntu-904-jaunty-my-thoughts-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-8594</link>
		<dc:creator>Pandammonium: blogs [pandammonia]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bottom of the laptop screen and one at the top of the monitor screen, but both were on the monitor. A comment on Joe Blog&#8217;s&#8216;s blog tells me I can right-click on the panel, choose Properties, untick Expand, move the panel, then [...]</description>
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<p>[...] bottom of the laptop screen and one at the top of the monitor screen, but both were on the monitor. A comment on Joe Blog&#8217;s&#8216;s blog tells me I can right-click on the panel, choose Properties, untick Expand, move the panel, then [...]
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		<title>Comment on My Thoughts On Unity: 1 Month On by Luke</title>
		<link>http://blog.joeb454.com/2011/03/my-thoughts-on-unity-1-month-on/comment-page-1/#comment-8317</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try GNOME 3 (www.gnome3.org); it&#039;s much better and more stable.</description>
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<p>Try GNOME 3 (www.gnome3.org); it&#8217;s much better and more stable.
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		<title>Comment on My Thoughts On Unity: 1 Month On by steve</title>
		<link>http://blog.joeb454.com/2011/03/my-thoughts-on-unity-1-month-on/comment-page-1/#comment-8308</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 04:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crash was caused by GDM update and has now been fixed. Use ALT-F2 to get a a console and updateed GDM.</description>
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<p>The crash was caused by GDM update and has now been fixed. Use ALT-F2 to get a a console and updateed GDM.
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